Scam Warning Page!

ALL sellers that claim to sell Tongkat Ali manufactured in Indonesia should be able to show you a Nomor Depkes licence, which is a goverment required document to produce Tongkat Ali in Indonesia. Without it the Tongkat Ali is most certainly either being produced illegally OR is fake, you can be 100% certain of this. Even if they do not make it themselves they should very easily be able to show you a Nomor Depkes by asking their supplier for a copy of it, as all real Indonesian manufacturers will have no problems supplying a copy to their distributors. A copy Sumatra Pasak bumis Certificate, who provide the extract to World A.B.S that we sell, can be seen HERE .

Be aware of sellers claiming they import the roots from Indonesia and make the extract themselves also as this is highly unlikely and impractical. It takes 200 grams of raw root to make 1 gram of 1:200 extract. This means you would need 7200 grams of raw root to produce just 1 bottle of 120 caps at 300mg per cap. Just 100 bottles would be 720,000 grams of raw root (720 kilos).

If they claim this, ask to see their import papers and a photo of them standing next to the shipping container with the huge amount of roots they just imported, or a photo of their factory and a scan of their import papers showing the amount of raw root they claim to have imported. If they cannot show you this it would be wise to avoid them as what they are likely selling you is Tribulus, which is about the same colour as Tongkat and is also very bitter, although it is a different kind of bitterness to Tongkat Ali.

Tribulus is quite a sharp bitterness and stings the tongue slightly in comparison to the extreme yet smooth bitterness of Tongkat. Only people who have already tasted genuine Tongkat will be able to tell the difference. Buy yourself some cheap Tribulus from www.bulksupplementsdirect.co.uk and do a taste comparison of the claimed Tongkat you just purchased. If it is the same or almost the same taste, it is Tribulus as Tongkat is a very very different taste and a very different kind of bitter!

Selling tribulus as Tongkat is a common scam that has been going on for quite some time. Tongkat Ali labelled as being Indonesian in origin but manufactured in China is almost always in my experience, Tribulus or a mix of Trib and coffee. It looks, tastes and reacts exactly like the above and not like Tongkat which is why i say this.

Cap size is also a dead give away. 300mg of 1:200 is the most you can fit in to a size 0 cap, and 600mg in a size 00 cap. Claims of 500mg - 800mg per cap are common for Tribulus labeled as Tongkat.

Also, try leaving the capsule in a warm place for a day or so, Tribulus will often turn in to a sticky lump the same shape as the cap it is in but smaller, allowing you to remove the cap and be left with a pellet shaped chunk of trib that you can squeeze or drop and it will still be a somewhat sticky mass. Tongkat will remain mostly in powder form, it may set a little but not like tribulus!

 

Two common things used by scam artists to fool you in to thinking their product is real.
The most common tactic used by a seller of a fake product is to show you an FDA registration number and/or a COA when asked for proof, or to display them in a prominent place on their site. Both are 100% irrelevant, and neither are recognized by the actual FDA as proof of a genuine product.

FDA registration numbers often are not even issued by the official FDA, the FDA themselves have released a warning letter telling people about this which can be seen HERE. Do NOT be fooled in to thinking an FDA reg number means a product must be real, as it does not and never has. Anybody anywhere in the world can obtain an FDA reg number in minutes for free HERE. Numbers are issued by a computer automatically before you even enter any important details, and not by a person, and they do not expire. A reg number also does not mean that the company is going to be subject to regular checks or inspections by the FDA either. A company in Asia that has an FDA reg number may never be visited by the FDA unless they have good reason to, and even then they may not test any products, just inspect the facility. They don't have the time or manpower to check every company in the world that asks for a number or test all of their products, nor is it compulsory or common for the FDA to do so.

A Certificate Of Analysis is also 100% meaningless! It does not mean, and never has meant, that a product is genuine. Absolutely anybody can send a sample of whatever they want to a lab for it to be tested for things such as Ecoli, Salmonella, etc etc, and all the lab will do is perform basic tests and send results back saying whether or not it is free from the diseases etc it was tested for, and on the top of the report they will write whatever it is you told them the product was. What they will NOT do is perform any kind of test on the substance to see if it is or isn't a genuine product! They will not even check the extract ratio.

They may sometimes check that the colour or taste is somewhat the same as Tongkat and write something like "characteristic" in a box (which is why Tribulus is the perfect fake product), but they never will they do an actual test. Such tests are more specialized and expensive and are NOT called a COA.

If it is not EXTREMLEY bitter, it is NOT Tongkat Ali!

There are a few companies in the USA which supply what they say is 1:100 or 1:200 Long Jack (another name for Eurycoma Longifolia Jack, Tongkat Ali), which has virtually no taste at all, and they sell it for around $100 - $150 a Kilo, another sure indication that it is likely fake.

The major problem here is that there are no laws at all in the USA or UK, that state you have to test the herbal products you receive from your wholesaler to ensure they are genuine before sale, you can simply take your suppliers word as gospel, and due to the massive costs involved with testing a herbal product, virtually nobody ever bothers to do any testing. This opens up a very nice opportunity for dishonest sellers to supply god knows what to overseas businesses who likely don't really know what they are selling, and just want the profits. This starts off a chain reaction whereby one dishonest company supplies many others, who in turn supply others often not even knowing the product is fake, and what you are left with is a lot of fake and sometimes even harmful spiked products in circulation across the globe.

Avoid liquid extract as it is WEAK and mostly WATER OR ALCOHOL.

Liquid extract is much much weaker than a true extract, here is why...

To remove the active ingredients from the plants roots a liquid must be used, e.g. water or alcohol. The roots are soaked in this liquid for 48 hours and then repeatedly heated for 15 mins. This releases the extract from the roots in to the liquid. Once this is done the roots are removed from the liquid, which is then evaporated over 72 hours, which removes the useless liquid and also other pointless constituents such as cellulose etc, and a concentrated extract is all that remains in the form of crystal-dry flakes. The flakes are then milled in to a pure fine powder which is basically a concentrated extract.

To put it simply, liquid extracts are just overpriced extracts with a pointless non active liquid added or left over. Mostly it is water with the equivalent of a few capsules added. Whilst it may be true that liquid extracts are often better than a herbal powder (which is just a herb that has been dried and pulverized in to powder) they are NEVER better than a powdered EXTRACT! Powdered herbs and powdered EXTRACTS are very different and there is nothing that can ever beat a concentrated powdered extract, period!

Below is an email sent from Sumatra Pasak Bumi about liquid extract in response to a customers question.

Only buy ROOT EXTRACT!

You should be aware that many many people sell extract that is from other parts of the plant, e.g. the bark or the leaves, and not the root. Whilst technically this is still genuine Tongkat Ali, It is only the root that is useful and it is only the root extract that Tongkat studies are based upon. Whilst other parts of the plant may contain some of the needed ingredients, there will be so few of them present that it would be pointless to consume it. Basically if you see an extract for sale that does not state ROOT it will likely be other parts of the plant. It must also state root EXTRACT since if it just says root it is very likely to just be the root ground in to a powder.

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